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    Popp Culture

    Turkey Talk: Here's a conversation starter for the dinner table

    Steve Popp
    Nov 24, 2009 | 10:11 pm

    To kick it Pilgrim style this Thanksgiving, don’t use your fork, eat your dessert during dinner and ask for some eel and venison in addition to the turkey on the table.

    And say “Massasoit” and “Wampanoag” with authority.

    Thanksgiving means a lot — and a lot of different things — to Houstonians. It generally means food, family, football, and travel. It means we get the opportunity to watch the President, the most dominant figure in our political system, pardon a bird. It also means the familiar images of buckle-booted Pilgrims dining with Native Americans return.

    Yet for me, Thanksgiving is an opportunity to inject a little history into the dinner table conversation.

    I find great utility in adding a dash of history to the Thanksgiving Day celebration. It can not only correct some of the cringe-inducing misunderstandings about American history, but it can help you steer the dinner table conversation away from any potential family debate about health care reform.

    Clarifying the history of that legendary “first” Thanksgiving of 1621, however, to an audience that will most likely have one eye on the football game and another eye on the dessert, takes some skill.

    Much like being a spectator at the downtown Houston parade on Thanksgiving Day, you’ll have to pick your spots.

    So here are some points of interest you can bring to the table to add a little culture to your conversation.

    What did they eat at that Thanksgiving feast?

    When the mashed potatoes are passed in your direction, you’ll have another opportunity to note what was actually served. They probably didn’t have white potatoes for starters.

    It may be easier to note what the Pilgrims didn’t eat. They probably didn’t have pumpkin pie, pecan pie, or apple pie.

    House of Pies this was not.

    Cranberries were most likely not there either. Awful, I know. Pumpkin was probably on the table, in some form or fashion, but not in a baked crust.

    Historians are quite sure Indian corn was there and in abundant fashion. Likewise, while there was quite a bit of “fowl” at the dinner. Yet there are conflicting accounts as to whether or not turkey was on the menu. There was venison, brought by the Wampanoag Indians. And there were an assortment of other items, including stews of meats and vegetables.

    They also ate what you would expect people from the Cape Cod area to eat—cod, lobster, eel, and mussels.

    In what manner did they eat the food?

    There probably wasn’t much of a formal spread for the dinner itself in 1621. So as you admire the fine table setting presented by your host, you can point out that the Pilgrims probably ate on the ground. They also ate without forks. And they ate dessert with dinner. That’ll go over big at the kids’ table.

    When did this 1621 Thanksgiving actually take place?

    The Pilgrims had their Thanksgiving with the Wampanoag Indians, and their leader Massassoit, sometime between late September and early October. It was a three-day event with some one hundred Wampanoags and close to 50 Pilgrims. There also seems to be a consensus that this was a harvest celebration, rather than a religious event. It was full of food, fun, and games.

    So why November?

    Abraham Lincoln, C-Span’s #1 ranked President, proclaimed the last Thursday in November to be a national day of Thanksgiving in October 1863. Prior to the proclamation, Sarah Josepha Hale, editor of Godey’s Lady’s Book, petitioned Lincoln to make Thanksgiving a fixed date. She hoped such a day would help bring a greater sense of national unity to a country fractured by three bloody years of civil war.

    Hale, by the way, wrote the poem “Mary Had a Little Lamb."

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    This Week's Hot Headlines

    Historic Houston burger joint adds new location and more top stories

    CultureMap Staff
    Nov 22, 2025 | 11:00 am
    Lankford Grocery exterior
    Courtesy of Lankford's
    Lankford's will expand its original location with a new coffee and wine bar.

    Editor's note: It's time to catch up on the top Houston news of the week, starting with a burger opening and service switcheroo. Plus, where to gobble up Thanksgiving-inspired sandwiches. Get the details on our most popular stories below, then visit this guide to plan your weekend.

    1. Historic Houston burger joint serves up new Woodlands location. Grim Burgers and tater tots are coming to The Woodlands. Lankford’s, the beloved Houston burger joint with locations in Midtown and Bellaire, will arrive in The Woodlands next year.

    2. Street food-inspired Houston restaurant swaps counter service for servers. A globally-inspired Houston restaurant has made a big change to its service model. Traveler’s Cart switched from counter service to full service as of November 17.

    3. 12 Houston barbecue joints profiled in Texas author's beautiful new book. Austin-based food and travel writer Veronica Meewes has released a 512-page book, Texas BBQ: The Art of Low and Slow, covering the who's who in Texas 'cue.

    Texas BBQ: The Art of Low and Slow This hefty book highlights the historical connections that make Texas Barbecue so interconnected. Photo by Brianna Caleri

    4. Veteran Houston chefs fire up new pizzas at Rice Village cocktail bar. One of Houston’s foremost pizza experts is once again slinging pies. Lee’s, the companion cocktail bar to Rice Village restaurant Milton’s, is now serving pizzas created by chef Seth Siegel-Gardner.

    5. 8 Houston restaurants serving comforting Thanksgiving sandwiches. These Houston restaurants understand that sometimes all anyone wants are the flavors of Turkey Day sandwiched between two slices of bread.

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