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    10 questions for clint

    Ken Hoffman pitches 10 questions to Houston's 'most successful baseball manager'

    Ken Hoffman
    Jul 29, 2019 | 2:35 pm
    Clint Sauls West U Little League
    Sauls (right) has won eight state titles, six regional titles, and two World Series crowns.
    Photo courtesy of Clint Sauls

    Not to take anything away from Houston Astros manager A.J. Hinch, but he’s won how many World Series championships? One? That’s so cute. (We kid, A.J.)

    Meet Clint Sauls, the most successful baseball manager in Houston history. In 10 years as manager of the West University Seniors team (ages 15 to 16, the oldest division in Little League), Sauls has won eight state titles, six regional titles, and two World Series crowns.

    And we’re talking an actual global World Series, including eight international teams from places like Africa, the Middle East, Europe, Asia, and Australia. West U is going for another title this week in Easley, South Carolina (Full disclosure: the first base coach for West U sleeps down the hall from me).

    West U, representing the U.S. Southwest, won its opening round game on July 28, beating Wilmington, Delaware (representing U.S. East), 4-2. The team plays again 3 pm Tuesday, July 30, against undefeated Hawaii.

    It's a hot ticket. Every game of the tournament is streaming live on ESPN Plus. The final game of the World Series, pitting the U.S. champs vs. the international winners, airs Saturday, August 3, on ESPN 2.

    I caught up with Sauls as he was figuring out his pitching rotation for this week.

    CultureMap: Why did you start coaching Little League?

    Sauls: After graduating from Georgia Southern University, I got into coaching. I coached two years of high school ball as an assistant, and 2001-02 at Furman University, where I was the pitching coach and recruiting guy. I made $5,000 dollars and lived on a friend’s couch.

    That’s when I realized I needed to make a better living, so I got into sales. I met my wife, and we came to Houston. I always missed coaching. I told her I wanted to make Houston our home and get involved in the community. What better way then Little League baseball?

    CM: People may not know, but there are six different age divisions in Little League. Why did you pick the Seniors (ages 15-16) to coach?

    CS: It was the most similar to the ages I had coached prior, and West U had a rule that no parents could coach after 12-year-old division. It made sense, and I love it.

    CM: When you manage a team of 15- and 16-year-old boys, are you more a baseball strategist or child psychologist?

    CS: Both, I think. We only get these kids for about two months so we don’t ever mess with mechanical things like swings or pitching motions. It’s all strategy and learning what to do in certain situation. The other part is child psychologist.

    Kids at this age can still be very emotional. I try to get to know each personality and coach to that as best we can. No one gets special treatment. It just helps to know who each kid is and how to get the most out of them.

    CM: All Little League coaches are volunteers. What’s your real-life job?

    CS: I’m director of sales and marketing for the MOG division of Winchester Interconnect. I work in the oil and gas industry.

    CM: Crazy Little League parents always make a good story. I heard that one of your games in the regional tournament this year was stopped because parents were brawling in the stands ... and their kids’ teams weren’t even playing. Is that true?

    CS: That’s 100 percent true. Apparently there was some bad blood in two prior games between the Texas West team and the host team from Seguin. Once the host team was eliminated, I guess they wanted to continue the competition in a more pugilistic fashion. Luckily there was police there to control the situation and everything was fine, but it was interesting to say the least.

    CM: One year, you sent a note to the team parents — “do not talk to me until the tournament is over?” How did that work out for you?

    CS: Each year has been better. I wanted to deal directly with our kids and get them in the habit of being responsible for themselves. I also wanted to avoid any discussion with parents regarding playing time or whatever else. There is still always one who just can’t quite comprehend it, but it’s worked out well. Especially this year.

    CM: When you play a team from a foreign country, do you notice that they play a different game, or do they play same as the U.S. kids?

    CS: It depends on who it is. The teams from Latin America or the Caribbean definitely are more lively and they talk more. It’s a very exciting style that’s for sure. As far as Australia or Europe, it’s very similar to our style, and it’s always fun to see this game grow to other parts of the world.

    CM: One of the reasons behind West U’s success in Seniors is that the league’s best 15- and 16-year-olds stay in the program for their final two years of Little League. Meanwhile other districts can’t even field a team because their better players move on to select teams and don’t look back.

    CS: Select ball has a tremendous impact on the Senior Division. A lot of times these select teams don’t want kids to play Seniors, or anywhere else during the summer. They go so far as to bully kids and make them feel terrible for still playing "Little League." I've always thought it's strange that a team you paid $3,000 to play for would have the audacity to try and pressure kids like that.

    Without these kids and their parents’ money, those select teams wouldn’t exist. I’m okay with kids playing as much as they want for as many teams as they want. I just want them to play West U Seniors, so we work around schedules. I think that’s part of why we have more kids wanting to be a part of it. We also have great coaches, guys that have played at all levels, so the kids learn a lot. The winning doesn’t hurt either. They know when they sign up that the goal is to win the World Series.

    CM: When ESPN mic's you up, have you ever said anything crazy? Do you have to change your vocabulary for ESPN?

    CS: Nothing crazy, but I’m definitely conscious of it. I do change my verbiage a little but overall nothing drastic. I’ve had an assistant coach make a couple of funny mistakes, but I’ve avoided it so far. Fingers crossed.

    CM: Do the players find you even remotely funny?

    CS: Of course they do! I’m a riot!

    CM: You’ve said that this is your last year coaching the Seniors team. Is that for real? You’ve retired more times than Ric Flair.

    CS: While I do appreciate the comparison to the greatest wrestler of all time, yes, this is my last year. Ten years is long enough, and I want to leave the next coaches in a good position to be successful. I think there is some great talent for next year, and the timing was right.

    It would also be great to finish with another world title. While it wouldn’t be close to the 16 titles that the Nature Boy has, I’ll take it. Woooooooooooo!

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    game, set, zina.

    Best of Ken Hoffman: Interviewing Houston's greatest tennis icon

    Ken Hoffman
    Aug 29, 2024 | 12:30 pm
    Zina Garrison, tennis player
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    Garrison, a tennis legend, is now the tennis director of Houston Parks and Recreation.

    Editor's note: After the sudden death of beloved columnist Ken Hoffman on July 14, CultureMap is republishing some of our favorite "Hoffman's Houston" columns. In honor of the U.S. Open, here's Ken's interview with Houston tennis legend Zina Garrison; it was originally published on June 27, 2022.

    As a child, Zina Garrison learned how to hit a tennis ball on the public courts at MacGregor Park during the 1970s and became, simply, the most accomplished player ever from Houston.

    She developed into a Grand Slam champion, a Top 5 ranking in the world, Wimbledon finalist in 1990 with 20 tournament titles, Federation Cup captain, and Olympic gold medal winner and later Olympic coach.

    Now Garrison is back where she started, only this time she’s devoted to making Houston a great place to learn and play tennis … again. Like she did.

    “I am now the tennis director of Houston Parks and Recreation,” Garrison tells me. “I’m over all the public tennis programs and facilities. The job came open recently and I applied for it.”

    Wait... she’s the greatest champion this city has ever produced — and she had to apply for that job?

    “To be honest, I was more interested in the benefits than the money. As you get older, you start thinking differently,” she shares.

    Unlike the major sports leagues in America, tennis doesn’t provide any healthcare insurance or assistance once a player, even a legend, retires.

    “They’re working on it,” Garrison, 58, notes. “But as of now, nothing.”

    Garrison said her first priority as Houston’s tennis director is to repair the public courts.

    “I want to bring the public tennis facilities up to where I’d be proud, where everybody would be proud, to bring people to use our courts. There are cracks in the courts. Nothing’s really been done in the last 20 or maybe 30 years,” she says.

    “I’ve traveled to Florida and some other places and they have really nice public courts. Tennis in Houston was really thriving for a while and we had nice courts and people could play in the parks. We had junior programs. We flourished. That’s my main goal.”

    While I had Garrison on the phone, I served up some questions:

    CultureMap: Wimbledon is on. You’re familiar with that tournament, right? Who are your picks to win the men’s side and women’s side?

    Zina Garrison: Yes, I’m familiar with Wimbledon. I have my alarm set for the early morning so I can watch. I have a weird pick, a more personal pick, for the men.

    I would love to see Rafael Nadal keep going on, but it’s going to be tough for him. The guy from Italy, Matteo Berrettini, I watched him play a couple of weeks ago and I think he’s going to surprise a lot of people. And I am absolutely in love with that little guy, Carlos Alcaraz, from Spain. He’s made me watch tennis again.

    On the women’s side, I don’t think it will be Iga Swiatek. I think it’s just too hard to keep a streak like hers (35 matches in a row including the French Open title) going in today’s game. It’s really wide open. I don’t really have a pick, it’s just who comes in and plays well at the right time.

    CM: What do you think about Natela Dzalamidze, the doubles player from Russian who switched her nationality to Georgia so she could play Wimbledon, which has banned players from Russian and Belarus this year?

    ZG: I don’t like that she was able to do that. I was just on the phone with (former pro turned broadcaster) Chanda Rubin talking about what’s going on in tennis these days.

    First of all, there is the human rights stuff that’s going on in Russia and Ukraine. We have to start forcing accountability for actions. A lot of people didn’t agree with what Wimbledon did, but I think they had to take a stand.

    CM: The women’s GOAT is easy — it’s Serena. But who do you think is the men’s GOAT?

    ZG: Wow, that’s a hard one. If you had asked me earlier this year, I would have said Roger Federer because of everything he’s accomplished. But right now I’m going to have to go with Nadal. Nadal has taken tennis to a whole ‘nother level, of getting people to watch, coming out of the pandemic, where he has matches and you think he can’t come back and he’s still grinding no matter what.

    For me, he is the epitome of what we need in this world right now: Never give up but not be selfish about helping others. I know it sounds clichéd, but that’s what I’m going through right now.

    CM: When I first met you, you were painfully shy. It was hard to get an answer out of you. Now you’re a TV commentator and a regular chatterbox. What happened?

    ZG: I was an introvert but I had always been intrigued by people of wisdom. A lot of it came as I developed confidence in myself. I had always been told at a very young age, if you really knew me, I spoke a lot. If you didn’t know me, I would be quiet. I would only speak about things that I was extremely passionate about.

    As I’ve gotten older, because of my experiences. I feel like I can help people so I’m not afraid to say what I want to say.

    CM: Starting the week after Wimbledon, coaches will be allowed to communicate with men players during matches. Up to now, that’s only been allowed in the women’s game. Every other sport allows coaching. Do you think tennis should allow coaching, too?

    ZG: I don’t think coaching should be allowed. That’s one of the great things about tennis. That’s a part of the sport, that you grow and figure things out. You learn to think for yourself.

    There’s always been little signals from coaches, but now you have these full blown conversations. Another bad thing about allowing coaching is it gives the players the opportunity to blame a loss their coach. That’s not good for the sport.

    CM: You were known for wiggling your butt when receiving serve. Did you know you were doing it? Did you do that on purpose?

    ZG: It started off as kind of a joke with my coaches. They said, we need you to move your feet. I said, you mean like this?

    So, it started as a joke but I realized that it helped get my feet moving: Okay, I’m going to keep doing this.

    I’ll never forget that year after I got to the Wimbledon finals, 1990, I went over to Japan and there were 1,200 people there … and all of them started wiggling!

    CM: What was the first extravagant thing you bought for yourself when the tennis prize money started rolling in?

    ZG: It was 1982, and I bought a candy apple red Volkswagen convertible with a white top.

    CM: You were on the Biggest Loser, the show where contestants compete against each other to lose weight. Let’s just say you didn’t win. Are you happy you went on that show, or do you regret it?

    ZG: I was one of the first who had to leave the competition. (No, you were THE first.) It was an experience, but I probably shouldn’t have done it. I think I regret going on there. It wasn’t what I thought it was.

    It was reality TV and at the time I didn’t know what reality TV was .I was more ready to get out of there than anything else.

    CM: Now here’s the big question, Zina. For years, I’ve had a running disagreement with ESPN 97.5 FM morning host John Granato about which is a more demanding, tougher sport – golf or tennis?

    Granato says it’s golf, because the tournament winner has to beat every other player that week, while in tennis the winner just has to beat seven players at most. And, each week, golfers have to contend with a different course.

    But, I say it’s tennis because players have to be in top physical condition, while nearly anyone in any shape can win a golf major.

    Plus, in golf, players have a caddy helping them make decisions. In tennis, players are on their own.

    In golf, you can have a bad day on Thursday and still win the tournament. In tennis, if you have a bad day in the opening round, you’re on a plane out of there.

    In golf, it’s the player against the course. There’s no defense in golf. In tennis, there’s a human opponent trying to beat you.

    In golf, the ball is lying still. In tennis the ball is coming at you at 140 mph.

    So which is the tougher sport, golf or tennis? I’m right ... right?

    ZG: Are you serious? Who is this guy who says golf is harder? The answer is tennis and it’s not even close.

    You’re playing against someone. You’re only controlling the ball when it’s on your side of the net. You can’t control what the other player is doing. It’s almost like a boxer coming at you.

    You have to have both the physical and mental capacity to win. In golf, if you have a bad day, it’s because you’re having that bad day. There’s no opponent competing with you. So, I’m saying it’s tennis.

    CM (note to John Granato): I win. Granted, it might have been the way I asked the question. Also, Garrison is a former tennis pro.

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