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    The CultureMap Interview

    The real countess of Downton Abbey deciphers tea etiquette and secrets of the hit series

    Clifford Pugh
    Mar 16, 2015 | 10:29 am

    Having 150 cast and crew members running around Highclere Castle doesn't ruffle the lady of the house. While an episode of season six of Downton Abbey was recently being filmed, Lady Fiona Carnarvon was sitting in her "very messy" study, surrounded by books on gardening while researching a new book, as she chatted on the phone with CultureMap.

    The reason for our conversation: She's headed across the pond as the guest of honor at Highclere Tea Friday at the St. Regis Hotel to benefit Houston Public Media. At the tea, hosted by Lynn Wyatt, the Countess of Carnarvon, the wife of George Herbert, 8th Earl of Carnarvon, will discuss the history of the castle popularized by the wildly popular PBS series. (It will be the countess' first visit to Houston.)

    Actually, the castle, located about 45 miles west of London, has been open for tours since 1987, to showcase an Egyptian exhibition, she explained. (The 5th Earl of Carnarvon discovered the Tomb of the Egyptian Boy Pharaoh, Tutankhamun, in 1922, and mysteriously died soon afterward.) "The tours that came around the house at that stage were even longer than Downton," she said.

    Even so, the popularity of the series has rejuvenated interest in the castle, as she was quick to note during our phone conversation, along with an explanation of what a makes a bonafide tea.

    CultureMap: What is a Highclere Tea exactly?

    Lady Carnarvon: I'm not sure what the Houston version is going to be, but here we tend to have tea with scones and cake. It's a very lovely time of the afternoon to gather your thoughts and have a lovely cup of tea. It's one of my favorite times to sit down for 20 minutes.

    CM: Do you dress up for a tea?

    LC: If we have guests here for the winter or the summer, sometime you come in from the lawn or perhaps have been riding or perhaps it's the weekend and you've taken time to do some other leisure pursuits, so you would change, rather than sit down with what you were wearing to ride or play croquet or whatever.

    "High tea tends to be a term I use for the children's tea, actually. You would apply the word 'high tea' to what you do with children between tea and supper."

    CM: What is high tea vs. another kind of tea?

    LC: High tea tends to be a term I use for the children's tea, actually. You would apply the word "high tea" to what you do with children between tea and supper. I think there are different cultures and different traditions in different parts of the world.

    Tea is normally between 4 and 5 in the afternoon, earlier in the winter because the light is drawn in England. I'm trying to write a book about recipes for the last 100 years, including a summer tea when the famous American novelist Henry James came to the castle.

    CM: Is there a traditional tea that is served?

    LC: We always serve Indian and China tea.

    CM: Do you have a favorite?

    LC: Well I do quite like Earl Grey tea. I don't think you can really do better.

    CM: How does it affect your life when filming is going on?

    LC: When they're here for a few days at a stretch, some of the rooms that they are filming in look, to me, topsy turvy. They always look rather glamorous (on TV) but usually the carpets are covered with Correx (floor protection sheets) as they move their equipment around. I'm sure they would think of it as a carefully pre-planned plan.

    "It's helpful when so many people are interested in it. It means I can spend money at a faster rate and I'm very good at that."

    CM: Did you ever think Downtown Abbey would be the success that it is?

    LC: No. We hoped somebody would like watching it. But I think the interest found in America has been amazing. I'm hugely appreciative because it helps in terms of what we want to do to sustain the house and take it forward. So it's helpful when so many people are interested in it. It means I can spend money at a faster rate and I'm very good at that.

    CM: You spend a lot on castle upkeep.

    LC: Joking apart, we did a lot of that before Downton started. We did a lot of work on the roof and some of the brickwork and stonework. My husband kept on doing it over his lifetime. He has not stopped. I hope we're not entering a huge black hole. He has always kept on. Every autumn we fence another couple of miles of park or farmland. Every autumn we plant another 20,000 or 30,000 bulbs. This year my husband planted 67,000 bulbs, not himself, we use machines to do it.

    You just simply keep on going but it's a huge space. I'm just excited because I've just had the most beautiful hand-blocked wallpaper delivered for a room I'm working on at the bottom of the tower, so I'm so thrilled.

    CM: Do you have a favorite room?

    LC: The messy study that I am sitting in I'm very fond of because it's my own. What I think is so lucky there are different rooms for different times. Sometimes going up to the top of the tower and looking out over the trees, you're climbing on the roof. It's an open room at the top; it's a room in a different way. It's very peaceful.

    CM: Is there a character you identify with?

    LC: Elizabeth McGovern as Cora is very clever, but she's more reactive and I think I'm more proactive. I'm grateful that we're very different.

    CM: When do you think the show will come to an end? And what happens next?

    LC: I'm sure (PBS and the British channel ITV) would like it to go on a little bit longer. There's word there might be a film, which would be quite fun because they could decide what time to set it in. Obviously you know it's coming to a end. I can't worry about it actually. In some ways it's rather wonderful that I am unable to influence it.

    Highclere Tea with Lady Carnarvon, Countess of Highclere Castle, will take place at the St. Regis Houston Friday afternoon from 4 to 6 p.m. Individual tickets are $450. For more information, visit the HoustonPublicMedia website.

    Lady Fiona Carnarvon at Highclere Castle.

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    Lady Fiona Carnarvon at Highclere Castle.
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    remembering injustice

    New downtown park will shine a light on a dark part of Houston's past

    Jef Rouner
    Jun 24, 2026 | 1:00 pm
    ​Harris County Commisioner Rodney Ellis and Rep. Al Green posing in front of new historical markers for Remembrance Park.
    Photo by Jef Rouner
    Harris County Commisioner Rodney Ellis and Rep. Al Green posing in front of new historical markers for Remembrance Park.

    On Saturday, June 20, Harris County Commissioner Rodney Ellis revealed the full plans for Remembrance Park, a three-block greenspace that will connect Buffalo Bayou to the Herbert W. Gee Municipal Courthouse at 1400 Lubbock St. The park will also include historical markers dedicated to four Black Houstonians who were lynched between 1890 and 1928 — Robert Powell, John White, Burl Smith, and John Walton.

    The markers will be installed temporarily at Commissioner El Franco Lee Public Service Plaza until the completion of Remembrance Park, estimated for 2029. The projected is estimated to cost $42 million, though final funding numbers have not been released. Remembrance Park is funded through a combination of Harris County tax revenue and a grant from the Ford Foundation.

    Walter Hood of HOOD Design Studios and Michael Murphy of AMMA presented renderings of the future park. It will be a combination of gardens, pavilions, and overlooks that can be used for multiple purposes. In the center of the park will be an innovative fountain. When filled with an inch of water, it will reflect the sky. When emptied, it will show a massive photograph of a baptism in Buffalo Bayou by a Black congregation from the early 20th Century.

    The connection to the bayou is woven throughout the park. There are gardens based on Hush Harbors, which were used by Black residents as congregation spaces, as well as canopies made with reclaimed wood and moss from the bayou. The landscape itself will change depending on the rainfall, with features built with retaining ponds to create water installations.

    Construction of the park will begin in 2027.

    Dr. Ruth Simmons, a President's Distinguished Fellow at Rice University, former president of Prairie View A&M University, and the first African-American president of an Ivy League institution (Brown University) spoke about the importance of remembering history accurately despite attempts to sanitize the past.

    "A community that endorses ignoring the history of fabricating that history invites corruption in other areas," she said. "In order to have a common project which we desperately need in this nation, a common project across difference, we must commit to walking in truth. Truth brings light to what darkness would destroy."

    The mission statement of Remembrance Park is to "tell the story of the legacy of enslavement and systemic oppression faced by Black Americans in the United States." To accomplish that, the park will have art and education installations, a witness grove, and the lynching markers.

    Following the presentation, Ellis and others led the crowd to Lee Plaza for the unveiling of the markers. The unveiling included Representative Al Green and was opened with a prayer from Bishop James Dixon of of Community Faith Church. The bishop thanked Ellis for advocating for the park.

    "Today, Rodney Ellis, I see your face in the faces of the great liberators who stood up to injustice, stood up to evil, using creativity and brilliance, bringing people together," Bishop Dixon said.

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