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    The CultureMap Interview

    The most erotic American film in years? Black Swan director reveals all

    Joe Leydon
    Nov 14, 2010 | 6:04 am
    • "Black Swan" doesn't fit into any of the typical Hollywood boxes.
    • Natalie Portman doesn't hold back in the highly-charged "Black Swan."
    • Black Swan gets a Cinema Arts moment Sunday.

    So what is Darren Aronofsky’s Black Swan — the Cinema Arts Festival Houston showcased film set to screen 4:15 p.m. Sunday at the Edwards Greenway Palace Stadium — all about?

    Well, like Pi, his 1998 breakthrough indie feature, Aronofsky’s Black Swan is a drama about an obsessive protagonist poised on the brink of madness while pursuing perfection. Like Requiem for a Dream (2000), the director's critically acclaimed sophomore effort, Aronofsky’s latest film focuses on the desperate frenzy of a character whose fantasies are intruding on reality. And like The Wrestler (2008), his sentimentally gritty tale of a has-been grappler who repeatedly returns to the ring, Aronofsky’s much buzzed-about drama about a ballerina who gets in touch with her dark side is the story of an artist who quite literally suffers for the sake of art.

    “Of course,” Aronofsky admits, “the big difference — the really interesting difference — is that one is about the highest art on the planet, and the other is about the lowest. In fact, most people wouldn’t even call wrestling an art. And yet the people who do that, the athletes who do that, sacrifice their physicality for their art. So I think there’s definitely a connection between those two films.”

    Actually, one could argue that all of Aronofsky’s films are connected, in that each one — even The Fountain (2006), the Brooklyn-born auteur’s phantasmagorical romance — is about a kind of madness. In the case of Black Swan, the discombobulation begins when Nina Sayers, a sexually repressed ballerina played by Natalie Portman, lands the plum assignment of performing the lead role in a New York City dance company’s production of Swan Lake.

    Relentlessly driven by her ex-ballerina mother (Barbara Hershey) and her own barely contained demons, Nina pushes herself to physical and emotional extremes to prepare for the role.

    But her efforts are not quite enough for choreographer Thomas Leroy (Vincent Cassel), who insists that Nina, a dead-solid perfect choice to convey the innocence of the White Swan, must somehow also find a way to master the other side of the role. That is, she must convey the dark sensuality of the Black Swan as persuasively and expressively as… as… well, as Lily (Mila Kunis), a new dancer with the troupe who’s trying maybe a little too hard to be Nina’s new best friend.

    CultureMap [Joe Leydon]: Were there some days you were less worried about realism than others?

    Darren Aronofsky: Well, I just think that, every day, we tried to get as much as we could. I mean, sure, there are certain scenes that are less real, and there are some that are more arch, and it’s pretty obvious. But in general, we just tried to create as much a range of options as possible, so that we could play around in the editing room after we figured out exactly what was going on. The goal was just to get the actor to give you each direction clearly and truthfully.

    CM: OK, in this Internet Era, it’s practically impossible for anyone to walk into any movie without knowing a lot — maybe too much — about it. But in a more perfect world: What are the only things that people would know about Black Swan before they’d actually see it?

    DA: I think it should be a point that people know that it’s a thriller, and that there are scary elements. And that it’s original and different. Because I think people have gotten used to seeing the same thing over and over again. And I think that people who aren’t game for something that’s a little bit outside the box may have a hard time with it. And I think you’ve got to go into it with an adventurous spirit.

    CM: Are you concerned that because there’s been so much advance buzz about a certain scene in the film — an intimate scene involving Mila Kunis and Natalie Portman — people may be expecting a movie that is rather more, well, salacious than this one really is?

    DA: Oh, I don’t know. I think it’s a very sexy film. And a lot of different journalists and critics who have seen the film at this point and talked with me about it say, “How does it feel to have made the most erotic film in America for the last few years?"

    Which kind of blew me away. When people are saying that, I say, “Do you really think that?” I mean, I know everyone knows about the kiss between the two beautiful women in the film. But I think there’s a lot more that’s going on that’s sexier and as intense, if not more intense. I think the film is kind of filled with a lot of that — it’s a lot about sexuality. It’s about a woman who’s trying to discover her sexuality, and unlock it. So I think it’s there throughout the film.

    CM: In addition to the sexually charged scenes, there are highly dramatic, extremely stylized scenes in Black Swan that present daunting challenges — to folks on both sides of the camera. One wrong move, one false note, and you run the risk of having the audience laugh out loud.

    DA: Yes, but I think I’ve always walked that tightrope. If you think about it, all my films are on the edge of believability. So I walk that edge all the time. I imagine there were things that we photographed that were over the edge at times.

    But you just make sure that you’re covered and that you can pull back if you need to. But this film really goes to great heights to push reality. Like ballet itself. If you ever see ballet, you’ll see that ballet is really over the top. And extreme. And the stories are really, really overwrought and gothic. They’re like great fairy tales. And so we wanted to push the level of what people would accept. And push it right to the edge.

    CM: The underlying theme of Black Swan is the danger of pursuing of perfection. How does that theme speak to you?

    DA: I think perfection is an illusion. And life is about the mistakes. If you have high aspirations, and you’re trying to do something that’s cohesive — usually the best things happen when things go slightly wrong.

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    Creed concert review

    Creed serve up millennial nostalgia at pyro-packed RodeoHouston concert

    Craig Hlavaty
    Mar 11, 2026 | 11:54 pm
    Creed concert RodeoHouston
    Courtesy of Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo
    Singer Scott Stapp serenades the RodeoHouston crowd.

    Hello, my friend, we meet again.

    I’ve had a torrid relationship with Creed. As a circa-2000s punk rocker, it was implied that I was supposed to hate them. Nevertheless, I enjoyed those hook-laden Mark Tremonti riffs and Scott Stapp’s burly, Bono-grasping vocals, with just a hint of irony deep in the mix. I had “One Last Breath” on a burned mix CD, bunched in with Fugazi, Rancid, and Sham 69. I would skip it as quickly as I could, depending on who was in the car. Driving home from a long day slinging milk in the Kroger dairy cooler? Windows down, Stapp up.

    When I began my music journalism career 20 years ago (!!!), I began sticking up for them, much to the consternation of a lot of my fellow writers who were hung up on stuff that was supposed to be cooler and hipper. Creed’s pop-culture zenith came right as The Strokes and The White Stripes were thrust on us by the music press as a counter to post-grunge, which other music writers were categorically allergic to. Remember when our biggest problems in America were bands that were overtly influenced by Pearl Jam and Alice In Chains?

    In 2012, I interviewed lead singer Scott Stapp along the way for the Houston Press, and I distinctly recall Stapp being confused on our call that a guy from a smug alt-weekly wasn’t asking him stupid questions or making fun of his leather pants. The band was heading to Houston for a two-night stand at the Bayou Music Center in 2012 when they played 1997’s “My Own Prison” and 1999’s “Human Clay” in their entirety.

    Fun fact: “Human Clay” has sold over 20 million albums alone, besting Nirvana’s “Nevermind” and Pearl Jam’s “Ten” by only a relatively small margin. Creed moved more physical CDs when people actually bought music.

    Somehow, along the way, people stopped hating Creed and Nickelback, and the hate gave way to pre-social media, millennial high school, and pre-9/11 nostalgia. The similarly maligned Nickelback sold out the rodeo in 2024.

    On Wednesday, March 11, I saw junior high school kids wearing crispy new Creed shirts with their parents. Gen Alpha is beginning to get curious about what mom and dad were up to during spring break 2001, and Zoomers are rediscovering Y2K fashions. Haven’t you seen those “Mom, What Were You Like In The ‘90s?” memes?

    Creed has been sold out for weeks, drawing 70,007 attendees. If you had told someone 10 years ago that Creed would sell out RodeoHouston, they would have been skeptical. And yet here we are, staring down at a sold-out Creed show. These things run in cycles. Emotions fade. Annoyance turns into wistfulness for the days of Nokia brick phones and 99-cent gas. You can even go on a Creed Cruise now.

    Creed hit the stage just before 9:30 pm, an enviable bedtime for most elderly millennials, kicking off with the TOOL-chugalug of “Bullets,” with Stapp and Tremonti making the best use of their stage platforms, crucial devices for any major rock band in the 2000s. Unrelenting pyro shot from the dirt surrounding the stage every time Stapp lifted or flailed his arms like Elvis if he discovered cardio.

    The dirge of “Torn” — the second single from My Own Prison — was pyro-less, likely giving the cannons a few minutes to cool off. The sweaty Stapp, at just 52, looks to be in better shape than he did 20 years ago, now sporting a conservative haircut like he stepped out of his company’s stadium suite or finished a twilight run at Memorial Park.

    Stapp introduced “My Own Prison” with a preachery pep talk that wouldn’t sound out of place at an altar call at Sturgis. The crowd hung on every emphatic word. Maybe seeing two middle-aged dudes wearing Stryper shirts down on the concourse made more sense than I realized. Is Creed actually just TOOL that accepted Christ? The graphics behind the band could’ve fooled me.

    Stapp introduced “One” with a speech on commonalities and love. Looking back, Creed’s lyrics were much too earnest, hitting at a time when critics were still hungover from grunge.

    During “With Arms Wide Open,” the rodeo cameras would routinely cut to tattooed dads and rocker chicks in the crowd playing air guitar along with Tremonti and singing their guts out like they did the first time they heard it on 94.5 The Buzz. For a large segment of the crowd, they might have had a Gen-X parent jamming this stuff on the way to school in the morning.

    “Are you ready to get higher in here, Houston?” Stapp yells. The place erupts as “Higher” starts. Stapp was in his element, pyro shooting off, his silver jewelry dangling, taking in the crowd, like he didn’t expect such a response.

    Possibly the last true rock power ballad ever recorded, “One Last Breath,” got the biggest screams of the night; it might also be the Gen-Z “Don’t Stop Believing” as long as we’re making wildly controversial statements. [Editor’s note: Isn’t that Mr. Brightside? -ES]

    Welcome back, Creed, from pop-culture purgatory, and props for what might have been the loudest RodeoHouston show in years.

    SETLIST

    Bullets
    Torn
    Are You Ready?
    My Own Prison
    What If
    One
    With Arms Wide Open
    Higher
    One Last Breath
    My Sacrifice

    Creed concert RodeoHouston

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    Singer Scott Stapp serenades the RodeoHouston crowd.

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