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    A true Supreme opens up on what it takes to be glamorous and how to live likeLena Horne

    Joel Luks
    Nov 9, 2012 | 7:48 am
    • Mary Wilson stars in Stormy Weather (titled after the 1943 that musical film),set for 7:30 p.m. Friday at Miller Outdoor Theatre
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    • The multimedia show is narrated by James Gavin, who authored Horne's biography,and honors Horne's life and her accomplishments.
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    • Mary Wilson was the only member of The Supremes who stuck by the group, from itsinception in 1959 to when it disbanded in 1977.
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    Behind the wigs, couture and seductive life of The Supremes was the dream of a Greenville, Miss.-born little girl who loved to play dress-up. Mary Wilson became the backbone of the musical sensation, the only member who stuck by the group, from its inception in 1959 to when it disbanded in 1977.

    Among Wilson's role models was Lena Horne, three decades her senior, a pioneer in the entertainment industry who broke through conventions and danced to her own tune. Horne died on Mother's Day 2010 from heart failure.

    "The glamour was more than the look. It was about style and the way we carried ourselves. It's how we were different than other artists."

    Wilson stars in Stormy Weather (titled after the 1943 that musical film), set for 7:30 p.m. Friday at Miller Outdoor Theatre. The multimedia show is narrated by James Gavin, who authored Horne's biography, and honors Horne's life and her accomplishments as a singer, actress and civil rights advocate in an era whirling with winds of change.

    When taking on the role, Wilson saw many parallels between her life and Horne's journey. As such, the whole experience has taken on a more personal meaning.

    CultureMap chatted with Wilson by phone from her home in California and she talked about fashion, glamour and her thoughts on the election.

    CultureMap: When did you first know of Lena Horne? Do you remember when you met?

    Mary Wilson: Lena Horne was talked about in my household. My mother and my aunt would get excited when she would appear on television, so I grew up knowing her and her work. She was definitely a phenomenon we all revered — and I idolized her.

    Meeting her was a grand moment. By then The Supremes were famous, though she was way above where we were. We met in 1968 at Talk of the Town (a London nightclub), we saw her show, she invited us backstage and we spent more than an hour having fun together.

    I stayed in touch with her through the years. In those days with the variety shows, you would always run into people — not like today where everything is so separate. She was always beautiful, always warm, always friendly — unlike many people may think about her. She was a great lady. We had more fun backstage than the audience, I bet.

    CM: What did you learn from her as a celebrity, as a colleague and as a friend?

    MW: The glamor. She was always immaculate. Though there were lots of wonderful black female entertainers, her style spoke to us. But above that, she always found time to reach out to other people. Whenever she saw me, she would say, "Mary, how are you doing, so glad to see you!" She wasn't one of those, hello-bye types.

    "Though I am a believer, and I do believe dreams come true. This too shall come to fruition. At the age of 68 I am looking for a hit record!"

    I identified with her so much, and I think many black female entertainers did also. Being a woman in the entertainment world is a lot harder than for our male counterparts. We have families; we raise the children.

    When we were preparing for this show, I could almost put myself in Lena's shoes because I lived through many of the same things. She lost her son; I lost my son. Our marriages were both difficult.

    CM: Your career was flourishing amidst a rapidly changing world. The Civil Rights Movement was in full swing, the Feminist Movement was rising. What was it like to be in the middle of such an era?

    It was a time of change — not so different from today. The Civil Rights Movement was in full force; we were all involved in it. We became African-American spokespeople before spokesperson was even a word.

    In the tribute we show a clip of her speaking on civil rights. I don't portray her in the piece — it's more of a media documentary with film. I come in between clips and contribute the music and the glamor of Lena Horne.

    CM: About the glamor: The Supremes had a fabulous, over-the-top style with couture gowns, many hairstyles and wigs.

    MW: The glamour was more than the look. It was about style and the way we carried ourselves. It's how we were different than other artists. As an entertainer you have to find what works for you. For us, we rejoiced in glamour and looking good.

    When I was 8 years old, I remember wearing one of my aunt's glamorous dresses that she kept for special occasions to a tea party — and I got watermelon all over her clothes! Tragic!

    I've loved to look good since I was a little girl. We know Diana loved to look good. And Flo loved to look good. Lena was definitely a part of that. Motown didn't make us dress up. This is how we really were, and Motown realized that and continued to use that — because glamour worked in our favor.

    Glamour showed that this little black girl — and this is how I talk about it in my lectures — had beauty from within. That beauty came out in the way we looked. Glamour was showing that we could be successful professional black women. It showed that black people were beautiful inside and out. Imagine that, that black people could be beautiful and successful (laughs).

    There were other beautiful black women too, like Dionne Warwick and Josephine Baker; we were a part of that. Socially, that helped the Civil Rights Movement in America.

    CM: There's no avoiding drama in show biz. And through all the challenges and changes in The Supremes, you managed to keep it together. What's your secret?

    I grew up with gospel. Having that background gives you faith and strength. Some people around me got very angry with those who talked about black people as being less than human. When we grew up, we were looked at that way. Though we knew they weren't right.

    I believe in, "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." That has helped me sail through many life's challenges, though at times I just wake up, breathe and keep moving.

    I heard someone say that I was survivor; I don't want to think about being a survivor. I believe that life is life. Sometimes it's up; sometimes it's down. And you keep going, not because it's challenge, because that's life.

    My mother brought me up in a good environment; she was an angel. I was also brought up by my aunt and uncle, so I had different kinds of upbringing. Life has been good to me.

    CM: Isn't Life's Been Good to Me the title of your latest single?

    MW: Yes, and I am really proud of it. It's the best one I've produced. Though I can't get it to play on the radio, because there's no more radio (laughs). There's no more mom-and-pop record stores. So I can't get people to hear it. I have to figure out a way to make it work.

    CM: Things have changed.

    Things have changed. I don't know whether I need to upload, download, send it to iTunes, Amazon, who knows. My daughter just got me this iPhone I am talking on, and I don't know how to work it.

    Though I am a believer, and I do believe dreams come true. This too shall come to fruition. At the age of 68 I am looking for a hit record!

    CM: You voted (the day of this interview). Any thoughts about the election?

    Well no, I keep that personal. For many of us African American it is important to acknowledge the privilege of being able to vote. The people must vote for what's right not just for them personally, but what's right for America to continue to prosper.

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    H-E-B presents Stormy Weather on Friday, 7:30 p.m. at Miller Outdoor Theatre. Admission is free. Seating is ticketed for the covered area.

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    Star TV producer James L. Brooks stumbles with meandering movie Ella McCay

    Alex Bentley
    Dec 12, 2025 | 2:30 pm
    Emma Mackey in Ella McCay
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    Emma Mackey in Ella McCay.

    The impact that writer/director/producer James L. Brooks has made on Hollywood cannot be understated. The 85-year-old created The Mary Tyler Moore Show, personally won three Oscars for Terms of Endearment, and was one of the driving forces behind The Simpsons, among many other credits. Now, 15 years after his last movie, he’s back in the directing chair with Ella McCay.

    The similarly-named Emma Mackey plays Ella, a 34-year-old lieutenant governor of an unnamed state in 2008 who’s on the verge of becoming governor when Governor Bill (Albert Brooks) gets picked to be a member of the president’s Cabinet. What should be a happy time is sullied by her needy husband, Ryan (Jack Lowden), her agoraphobic brother, Casey (Spike Fearn), and her perpetually-cheating father, Eddie (Woody Harrelson).

    Despite the trio of men competing to bring her down, Ella remains an unapologetic optimist, an attitude bolstered by her aunt Helen (Jamie Lee Curtis), her assistant Estelle (Julie Kavner), and her police escort, Trooper Nash (Kumail Nanjiani). The film follows her over a few days as she navigates the perils of governing, the distractions her family brings, and the expectations being thrust upon her by many different people.

    Brooks, who wrote and directed the film, is all over the place with his storytelling. What at first seems to be a straightforward story about Ella and her various issues soon starts meandering into areas that, while related to Ella, don’t make the film better. Prime among them are her brother and father, who are given a relatively small amount of screentime in comparison to the importance they have in her life. This is compounded by a confounding subplot in which Casey tries to win back his girlfriend, Susan (Ayo Edebiri).

    Then there’s the whole political side of the story, which never finds its focus and is stuck in the past. Though it’s never stated explicitly, Ella and Governor Bill appear to be Democrats, especially given a signature program Ella pushes to help mothers in need. But if Brooks was trying to provide an antidote to the current real world politics, he doesn’t succeed, as Ella’s full goals are never clear. He also inexplicably shows her boring her fellow lawmakers to tears, a strange trait to give the person for whom the audience is supposed to be rooting.

    What saves the movie from being an all-out train wreck is the performances of Mackey and Curtis. Mackey, best known for the Netflix show Sex Education, has an assured confidence to her that keeps the character interesting and likable even when the story goes downhill. Curtis, who has tended to go over-the-top with her roles in recent years, tones it down, offering a warm place of comfort for Ella to turn to when she needs it. The two complement each other very well and are the best parts of the movie by far.

    Brooks puts much more effort into his female actors, including Kavner, who, even though she serves as an unnecessary narrator, gets most of the best laugh lines in the film. Harrelson is capable of playing a great cad, but his character here isn’t fleshed out enough. Fearn is super annoying in his role, and Lowden isn’t much better, although that could be mostly due to what his character is called to do. Were it not for the always-great Brooks and Nanjiani, the movie might be devoid of good male performances.

    Brooks has made many great TV shows and movies in his 60+ year career, but Ella McCay is a far cry from his best. The only positive that comes out of it is the boosting of Mackey, who proves herself capable of not only leading a film, but also elevating one that would otherwise be a slog to get through.

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    Ella McCay opens in theaters on December 12.

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